bush. what did he say, he can look into his eyes and i can do business with this guy? >> see his soul, yes. >> see his soul and it turns out that was a lot of bs. i think it's high time and about time. why do you think obama has done this? >> i think obama -- it's a little bit too late. i would have done more. i think obama at long last realizes the ambitious agenda he had for the past five or six years is really going nowhere there's disagreements with every issue, as the previous speaker said. putin wants to use as a punching bag to consolidate his position at home and without obama saying, we've had enough, i'm not going to meet you, and we'll go from there. on your comment earlier, larry, about the g-20, the problem, of course, is that the russians want to use the g-20 and want to restructure the entire international financial system to the disadvantage of the united states. >> yeah, but they can't. they can't. russia is a third-rate economic country. the only thing they have, you guys know this better than i do. all they have is natural gas pipelines going into eu